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WANSTEAD/WOODFORD: 'Tesco will kill our business'
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| The exterior of the Roof Terrace development where Tesco has applied to open a new Express store. |
INDEPENDENT traders in Wanstead and Woodford fear their livelihoods could be in jeopardy after supermarket giant Tesco announced plans to open a new store.
The multi-million pound empire, which controls a third of the UK's grocery market, has applied to open an Express branch in the new Roof Terrace development which is currently under construction in High Road, Woodford Green.
With the threat of closure looming over the nearby post office, the news has left independent shopkeepers in the area fearing a bleak future.
Many responded angrily after only learning of the application a couple of days ago from their Neighbourhood Watch team.
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Huseyin Cicek, who bought the Only Once Supermarket in High Road just three months ago, said his business would be "crushed" by the superstore giant.
He said: "All three of my sons work here and it's hard enough already with expensive rent and labour.
"If Tesco comes we will certainly go down."
Tajinder Sagoo from South Woodford News agreed, saying: "They will sell everything we sell but for longer hours. Tesco are the big boys, we can't compete against them."
Imran Jan, who owns Churchfield Pharmacy, in High Road, said shopkeepers were not made aware of the public consultation that ended on Tuesday, March 18.
He added: "If it wasn't for the Neighbourhood Watch telling me, I would never have known. It's the council's responsibility to ask us but we have had no way of getting our views across."
A spokeswoman for Red-bridge Council said as the proposal was for a private development, it had no say in the matter unless there was solid proof it would have a detrimental affect on the community.
She added: "People have had the opportunity to object since the planning applications were received, but most complaints just seem to be that people don't like Tesco, which really isn't grounds for us to get involved.
"We have printed adverts in the local papers and made the proposals available at the library, and apart from knocking on every door in Woodford Green, there's only so much we can do.
"Tesco is a viable business providing for the community, and local shops should remember that their business may actually increase as the development will be providing new apartments."
A decision is expected at the end of April and all objections will continue to be received by the council until then.
3:58pm Wednesday 26th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: mr Khalid, walthamstow on 10:00am Thu 27 Mar 08
why pepal complain? mr cicek by shop 3 month ago and he must see before by that this new shop meybe bildeded here and meybe have compititions? old ownar shop meybe now this and this why sell to cecik? why mr cicek no by this tesco shop? he have chanse? tesco big busness and give job pepal evrybody no just famly? this tesco sel thing cheep and no expesive like this litle shop? evrybody complane tesco light higham park but stil useit and want cheep food and petrols
why pepal complain? mr cicek by shop 3 month ago and he must see before by that this new shop meybe bildeded here and meybe have compititions? old ownar shop meybe now this and this why sell to cecik? why mr cicek no by this tesco shop? he have chanse? tesco big busness and give job pepal evrybody no just famly? this tesco sel thing cheep and no expesive like this litle shop? evrybody complane tesco light higham park but stil useit and want cheep food and petrols
Posted by: Observer on 10:12am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]mr Khalid[/bold] wrote:
why pepal complain? mr cicek by shop 3 month ago and he must see before by that this new shop meybe bildeded here and meybe have compititions? old ownar shop meybe now this and this why sell to cecik? why mr cicek no by this tesco shop? he have chanse? tesco big busness and give job pepal evrybody no just famly? this tesco sel thing cheep and no expesive like this litle shop? evrybody complane tesco light higham park but stil useit and want cheep food and petrols [/quote] What did Horace say, Winnie?
mr Khalid wrote:
why pepal complain? mr cicek by shop 3 month ago and he must see before by that this new shop meybe bildeded here and meybe have compititions? old ownar shop meybe now this and this why sell to cecik? why mr cicek no by this tesco shop? he have chanse? tesco big busness and give job pepal evrybody no just famly? this tesco sel thing cheep and no expesive like this litle shop? evrybody complane tesco light higham park but stil useit and want cheep food and petrols
What did Horace say, Winnie?
Posted by: Lee on 12:35pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Oh yes please. We so need a little tesco express. Every 1 said all the little shops in leytonstone would shut when the big tescos opened up in 2002 was it? but none did and more have opened since. Some of us will enjoy shopping in the real world. Not all of us can afford local shop prices so don't shop there any way. I don't think express will amke any difference to local shops.
Oh yes please. We so need a little tesco express. Every 1 said all the little shops in leytonstone would shut when the big tescos opened up in 2002 was it? but none did and more have opened since. Some of us will enjoy shopping in the real world. Not all of us can afford local shop prices so don't shop there any way. I don't think express will amke any difference to local shops.
Posted by: Mark, Loughton on 1:23pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Tescos (good quality, low price, fresh) or local store (not so good quality, high price, not so fresh) - mmm that's a tough one.
Tescos (good quality, low price, fresh) or local store (not so good quality, high price, not so fresh) - mmm that's a tough one.
Posted by: Morris Hickey, Chigwell (Redbridge) on 2:36pm Thu 27 Mar 08
For the information of those who have never used a Tesco Express the prices generally are higher than those in the supermarkets.
For the information of those who have never used a Tesco Express the prices generally are higher than those in the supermarkets.
Posted by: Alan Smith on 3:04pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Oh yes please. We so need a little tesco express. Every 1 said all the little shops in leytonstone would shut when the big tescos opened up in 2002 was it? but none did and more have opened since. Some of us will enjoy shopping in the real world. Not all of us can afford local shop prices so don't shop there any way. I don't think express will amke any difference to local shops.[/quote]
Are you having a laugh? Umpteen shops were killed off by Tesco in Leytonstone - including the fishmonger. It wasn't always a wasteland of Fried Chicken and mobile phone shops y' know.
Oh yes please. We so need a little tesco express. Every 1 said all the little shops in leytonstone would shut when the big tescos opened up in 2002 was it? but none did and more have opened since. Some of us will enjoy shopping in the real world. Not all of us can afford local shop prices so don't shop there any way. I don't think express will amke any difference to local shops.
Are you having a laugh? Umpteen shops were killed off by Tesco in Leytonstone - including the fishmonger. It wasn't always a wasteland of Fried Chicken and mobile phone shops y' know.
Posted by: Richard Fanshaw, South woodford on 4:37pm Thu 27 Mar 08
So what shops will tesco kill off locally? Mr Cicek's shop has only been open for around five years. The previous owner obviously got wind of it and wanted out and 'found a mug' to take it over.
Mr Cicek's shop is depressing to look at with an array of stale and nearly out of best before date fruit and veg laying limp in cheap displays. The overall appearance is that of drabness and dirt. Look at the windows and signs. venture in and you have total disorder therein. Stuff all over the place in an unfriendly environment.
Compare this shop to the pictures of Old Woodford in the library. It makes one cry. We need to upgrade the area to kill off this type of shabbyness, selling cut price drink and illegal cigarettes.
These rubbish shops are plentiful in Leyton, Leytonstone and Walthamstow. These traders have ruined these areas and have crept up to South Woodford. They are too plentiful. How can you compare this to a professional company with a proven track record who will offer some recourse in the event of faulty goods or food that is not at its best? I know which shop I would rather use.
What else are they going to kill off? the flower shop nearby closed as trade was bad. The newsagent is an established business and I cannot see how he will be affected at all. I do not think that Tesco's sell Jet ski bikes. The trouble these days is that most local shops offer poor value for money and when it comes to food, are very unhygienic. They should get their act in order before moaning about Tesco
So what shops will tesco kill off locally? Mr Cicek's shop has only been open for around five years. The previous owner obviously got wind of it and wanted out and 'found a mug' to take it over.
Mr Cicek's shop is depressing to look at with an array of stale and nearly out of best before date fruit and veg laying limp in cheap displays. The overall appearance is that of drabness and dirt. Look at the windows and signs. venture in and you have total disorder therein. Stuff all over the place in an unfriendly environment.
Compare this shop to the pictures of Old Woodford in the library. It makes one cry. We need to upgrade the area to kill off this type of shabbyness, selling cut price drink and illegal cigarettes.
These rubbish shops are plentiful in Leyton, Leytonstone and Walthamstow. These traders have ruined these areas and have crept up to South Woodford. They are too plentiful. How can you compare this to a professional company with a proven track record who will offer some recourse in the event of faulty goods or food that is not at its best? I know which shop I would rather use.
What else are they going to kill off? the flower shop nearby closed as trade was bad. The newsagent is an established business and I cannot see how he will be affected at all. I do not think that Tesco's sell Jet ski bikes. The trouble these days is that most local shops offer poor value for money and when it comes to food, are very unhygienic. They should get their act in order before moaning about Tesco
Posted by: M Docker, Woodford on 5:37pm Thu 27 Mar 08
We already have Sainsbury's, Marks & Spencer and Waitrose in the area - and Tesco have another store less than a mile away on Eastern Avenue - we do not need nor want another Tesco.
We already have Sainsbury's, Marks & Spencer and Waitrose in the area - and Tesco have another store less than a mile away on Eastern Avenue - we do not need nor want another Tesco.
Posted by: William Oram, South Woodford on 5:49pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]M Docker[/bold] wrote:
We already have Sainsbury's, Marks & Spencer and Waitrose in the area - and Tesco have another store less than a mile away on Eastern Avenue - we do not need nor want another Tesco.[/quote] Well Docker, the shop is up for rent and the Landlord wants a quality tenant. If you were the Landlord would you rather have Mr Cicek (not exactly the traditional English Corner shop) or Tesco? The shop is available for rent. Why do you not take it over? Anyone can make a bid for it and if Tesco's got it , they would only pay a market rent. So what if we have all the other stores?
The biggest problem (and mark my word) will be if Tesco's open it and you will get idiots parking right out side or on the pavement or double parking. It is chaos there already at night and the speed of the road users is beyond belief. Tesco's will open and everyone (includin you) will use it. It is better than that old run down petrol station that was there for sure. Stop moaning. It is called progress. Look at the building that was on the site before the petrol station. (in the Woodford then and now) you never got old rubbish shops like Ciceks in them days. The shop-keepers had pride. And you would not see them parking their car on the pavement, smoking outside and spitting.
M Docker wrote:
We already have Sainsbury's, Marks & Spencer and Waitrose in the area - and Tesco have another store less than a mile away on Eastern Avenue - we do not need nor want another Tesco.
Well Docker, the shop is up for rent and the Landlord wants a quality tenant. If you were the Landlord would you rather have Mr Cicek (not exactly the traditional English Corner shop) or Tesco? The shop is available for rent. Why do you not take it over? Anyone can make a bid for it and if Tesco's got it , they would only pay a market rent. So what if we have all the other stores?
The biggest problem (and mark my word) will be if Tesco's open it and you will get idiots parking right out side or on the pavement or double parking. It is chaos there already at night and the speed of the road users is beyond belief. Tesco's will open and everyone (includin you) will use it. It is better than that old run down petrol station that was there for sure. Stop moaning. It is called progress. Look at the building that was on the site before the petrol station. (in the Woodford then and now) you never got old rubbish shops like Ciceks in them days. The shop-keepers had pride. And you would not see them parking their car on the pavement, smoking outside and spitting.
Posted by: Jim, woodford on 10:29pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I find the bleating of the 'established' retailers in this article to be a bit daft. Its common knowledge Tesco have been looking at ths site for nearly a year, if it wasn't them then Sainsbury would have it. Noone with half a brain would open a grocers in the area without doing some basic research, as others have said, none of this mob will be much of a loss anyway.
I find the bleating of the 'established' retailers in this article to be a bit daft. Its common knowledge Tesco have been looking at ths site for nearly a year, if it wasn't them then Sainsbury would have it. Noone with half a brain would open a grocers in the area without doing some basic research, as others have said, none of this mob will be much of a loss anyway.
Posted by: Ken Jones, South Woodford on 7:27am Fri 28 Mar 08
Mr Cicek should take a serious look at his run down shop. It is a blot on the street scene I agree with Mr Fanshaw. He is what is know as a chancer. South Woodford is a quite affluent area and shops like his are unwanted for various reasons but mainly because they are scruffy and dirty. Have a look at his canopy and facia next time you are passing. The front is in a mess and the workers park their car on the footway and block the entire pavement. Mr Cicek, you will not be missed if you are forced to close.
Mr Cicek should take a serious look at his run down shop. It is a blot on the street scene I agree with Mr Fanshaw. He is what is know as a chancer. South Woodford is a quite affluent area and shops like his are unwanted for various reasons but mainly because they are scruffy and dirty. Have a look at his canopy and facia next time you are passing. The front is in a mess and the workers park their car on the footway and block the entire pavement. Mr Cicek, you will not be missed if you are forced to close.
Posted by: Paul Canal, Wanstead on 3:30pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[bold]Cloned High Streets will fail[/bold] I am dissapointed by the remarks of the local planning officer. Acceding to the lava flow that is major multiples will destroy the character and vibrancy of our "village" shopping areas.
They are already under threat from Labour's Post Office closure programme. Here in Wanstead a Starbucks has emerged from the cocoon and rumours of a Tesco Express abound.
If the council do not have sufficient powers to protect our local areas, they should fight hard to get them, rather than acquiesce so feebly.
Look at Marylebone. A deliberate policy to retain character and create an interesting retail area. We need imagination and creativity from our council officers - and our councillors.
I agree that the transformation of Leytonstone into Fried Chicken mile is appaling - on aesthetic and health grounds.
(I also suspect that some are fronts for drug dealing and other nefarious activities.
Lets try to make sure that we don't gently drift in that direction.
Cloned High Streets will fail I am dissapointed by the remarks of the local planning officer. Acceding to the lava flow that is major multiples will destroy the character and vibrancy of our "village" shopping areas.
They are already under threat from Labour's Post Office closure programme. Here in Wanstead a Starbucks has emerged from the cocoon and rumours of a Tesco Express abound.
If the council do not have sufficient powers to protect our local areas, they should fight hard to get them, rather than acquiesce so feebly.
Look at Marylebone. A deliberate policy to retain character and create an interesting retail area. We need imagination and creativity from our council officers - and our councillors.
I agree that the transformation of Leytonstone into Fried Chicken mile is appaling - on aesthetic and health grounds.
(I also suspect that some are fronts for drug dealing and other nefarious activities.
Lets try to make sure that we don't gently drift in that direction.
Posted by: mr Khalid, walthamstow on 3:57pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Paul Canal[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Cloned High Streets will fail[/bold] I am dissapointed by the remarks of the local planning officer. Acceding to the lava flow that is major multiples will destroy the character and vibrancy of our "village" shopping areas. They are already under threat from Labour's Post Office closure programme. Here in Wanstead a Starbucks has emerged from the cocoon and rumours of a Tesco Express abound. If the council do not have sufficient powers to protect our local areas, they should fight hard to get them, rather than acquiesce so feebly. Look at Marylebone. A deliberate policy to retain character and create an interesting retail area. We need imagination and creativity from our council officers - and our councillors. I agree that the transformation of Leytonstone into Fried Chicken mile is appaling - on aesthetic and health grounds. (I also suspect that some are fronts for drug dealing and other nefarious activities. Lets try to make sure that we don't gently drift in that direction.[/quote] agre with this paul. some shop defietily drug drinking becose how they makeded the mony nobody go insid this place and by rubish old patato and this banannna rotter. how is pay rate and rent? no body going insid and this why tecso kill he? no becose is there sell drug drink meybe cigrette from the belgum and poland no payeded the tax forem
Paul Canal wrote:
Cloned High Streets will fail I am dissapointed by the remarks of the local planning officer. Acceding to the lava flow that is major multiples will destroy the character and vibrancy of our "village" shopping areas. They are already under threat from Labour's Post Office closure programme. Here in Wanstead a Starbucks has emerged from the cocoon and rumours of a Tesco Express abound. If the council do not have sufficient powers to protect our local areas, they should fight hard to get them, rather than acquiesce so feebly. Look at Marylebone. A deliberate policy to retain character and create an interesting retail area. We need imagination and creativity from our council officers - and our councillors. I agree that the transformation of Leytonstone into Fried Chicken mile is appaling - on aesthetic and health grounds. (I also suspect that some are fronts for drug dealing and other nefarious activities. Lets try to make sure that we don't gently drift in that direction.
agre with this paul. some shop defietily drug drinking becose how they makeded the mony nobody go insid this place and by rubish old patato and this banannna rotter. how is pay rate and rent? no body going insid and this why tecso kill he? no becose is there sell drug drink meybe cigrette from the belgum and poland no payeded the tax forem
Posted by: Maureen, South Woodford on 5:36pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Only Once Supermarket? Is that how many times you have cleaned your shop?
Only Once Supermarket? Is that how many times you have cleaned your shop?
Posted by: md250, ilford on 1:20pm Sat 29 Mar 08
i can see both sides theargument here, sadly our local specialist shops seem to have been in decline over the past 10/15 years, butchers,bakers, fishmongers all seem to have disappeared from our high street.
tescos, being the market leader have the muscle to open stores virtually anywhere in the country, and this is the kind of arrogance that i abhor, however, i also understand that people like to shop there because of the conveience.
if somebody had the''balls'' to open a high class bright specialist provisions shop.....ie: cheese etc etc, people from the local area would buy from it , but seedy, bleak, shabby convenience off licences we dont need.
i can see both sides theargument here, sadly our local specialist shops seem to have been in decline over the past 10/15 years, butchers,bakers, fishmongers all seem to have disappeared from our high street.
tescos, being the market leader have the muscle to open stores virtually anywhere in the country, and this is the kind of arrogance that i abhor, however, i also understand that people like to shop there because of the conveience.
if somebody had the''balls'' to open a high class bright specialist provisions shop.....ie: cheese etc etc, people from the local area would buy from it , but seedy, bleak, shabby convenience off licences we dont need.
Posted by: Michael Oswald, Wanstead on 5:28pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Why would you need a cheese shop? Waitrose is a hundred yards from there and guaranteed freshness and refunds if not happy. They do an extensive deli counter trade even catering for the Polish people in the area with Polish meats and Cheese. The so called local small shop has diminished for reasons other that the large stores. For instance, when I moved in the area, I did the decent thing and went to the Butcher in High Street wanstead who does a varied range of products. Went in and waited and waited, without even an acknowledgement whilst the two men and a lady chatted amongst themselves. I was the only one in there. After being ignored, I walked out and walk past every day and will never try them again. I ended up in Somerfields. The local stores have got themselves to blame. It is still very traditional in places like the Market Towns of Norfolk. If you ever get a chance to go to Aylsham, visit the small Butcher shops there. Still the same type of business as years ago. Polite and friendly. In this area, I recommend the Chapman Brothers up by the Castle Pub in Woodford. Quality and manners.
This Mr Cicek though, I agree with the comments about the state of his shop. Looks like a badly made bed and dirty at that. Why on Earth would anyone want to venture in there if there was a Tesco Store nearby? Looks like he was sold a pup.
Why would you need a cheese shop? Waitrose is a hundred yards from there and guaranteed freshness and refunds if not happy. They do an extensive deli counter trade even catering for the Polish people in the area with Polish meats and Cheese. The so called local small shop has diminished for reasons other that the large stores. For instance, when I moved in the area, I did the decent thing and went to the Butcher in High Street wanstead who does a varied range of products. Went in and waited and waited, without even an acknowledgement whilst the two men and a lady chatted amongst themselves. I was the only one in there. After being ignored, I walked out and walk past every day and will never try them again. I ended up in Somerfields. The local stores have got themselves to blame. It is still very traditional in places like the Market Towns of Norfolk. If you ever get a chance to go to Aylsham, visit the small Butcher shops there. Still the same type of business as years ago. Polite and friendly. In this area, I recommend the Chapman Brothers up by the Castle Pub in Woodford. Quality and manners.
This Mr Cicek though, I agree with the comments about the state of his shop. Looks like a badly made bed and dirty at that. Why on Earth would anyone want to venture in there if there was a Tesco Store nearby? Looks like he was sold a pup.
Posted by: md250, ilford on 6:49pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Michael Oswald[/bold] wrote:
Why would you need a cheese shop? Waitrose is a hundred yards from there and guaranteed freshness and refunds if not happy. They do an extensive deli counter trade even catering for the Polish people in the area with Polish meats and Cheese. The so called local small shop has diminished for reasons other that the large stores. For instance, when I moved in the area, I did the decent thing and went to the Butcher in High Street wanstead who does a varied range of products. Went in and waited and waited, without even an acknowledgement whilst the two men and a lady chatted amongst themselves. I was the only one in there. After being ignored, I walked out and walk past every day and will never try them again. I ended up in Somerfields. The local stores have got themselves to blame. It is still very traditional in places like the Market Towns of Norfolk. If you ever get a chance to go to Aylsham, visit the small Butcher shops there. Still the same type of business as years ago. Polite and friendly. In this area, I recommend the Chapman Brothers up by the Castle Pub in Woodford. Quality and manners.
This Mr Cicek though, I agree with the comments about the state of his shop. Looks like a badly made bed and dirty at that. Why on Earth would anyone want to venture in there if there was a Tesco Store nearby? Looks like he was sold a pup. [/quote] A SPECIALIST, SHOP, WOULD DO WELL, NOT JUST CHEESE
Michael Oswald wrote:
Why would you need a cheese shop? Waitrose is a hundred yards from there and guaranteed freshness and refunds if not happy. They do an extensive deli counter trade even catering for the Polish people in the area with Polish meats and Cheese. The so called local small shop has diminished for reasons other that the large stores. For instance, when I moved in the area, I did the decent thing and went to the Butcher in High Street wanstead who does a varied range of products. Went in and waited and waited, without even an acknowledgement whilst the two men and a lady chatted amongst themselves. I was the only one in there. After being ignored, I walked out and walk past every day and will never try them again. I ended up in Somerfields. The local stores have got themselves to blame. It is still very traditional in places like the Market Towns of Norfolk. If you ever get a chance to go to Aylsham, visit the small Butcher shops there. Still the same type of business as years ago. Polite and friendly. In this area, I recommend the Chapman Brothers up by the Castle Pub in Woodford. Quality and manners.
This Mr Cicek though, I agree with the comments about the state of his shop. Looks like a badly made bed and dirty at that. Why on Earth would anyone want to venture in there if there was a Tesco Store nearby? Looks like he was sold a pup.
A SPECIALIST, SHOP, WOULD DO WELL, NOT JUST CHEESE
Posted by: Joseph, Chingford on 9:58am Mon 31 Mar 08
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
Posted by: chris, essex on 11:10am Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote:
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE!
Joseph wrote:
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE!
Posted by: Nigel, Woodford on 2:06pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]chris, essex[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE![/quote] Yes agree. He is nearly as bad as Mr Khalid!
chris, essex wrote:
Joseph wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE!
Yes agree. He is nearly as bad as Mr Khalid!
Posted by: md250, ilford on 2:45pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]chris, essex[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote:
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE![/quote] another failed lefty english teacher no doubt, with a 3rd rate degree from a polytechnic.
keep it coming boys and girls , i'm not going away
chris, essex wrote:
Joseph wrote:
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE!
another failed lefty english teacher no doubt, with a 3rd rate degree from a polytechnic.
keep it coming boys and girls , i'm not going away
Posted by: md250, ilford on 2:45pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Nigel[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]chris, essex[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE![/quote] Yes agree. He is nearly as bad as Mr Khalid![/quote] how are the plans going ..NIGEL..
Nigel wrote:
chris, essex wrote:
Joseph wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
Yes - but shame about the punctuation and the INABILITY TO USE LOWER CASE!
Yes agree. He is nearly as bad as Mr Khalid!
how are the plans going ..NIGEL..
Posted by: md250, ilford on 2:47pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote:
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.
Joseph wrote:
Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.
Posted by: tom, essex on 6:45pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]md250[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.[/quote] md250 names Chingford, but gives a very accurate description of Ilford, the slum where he lives.
md250 wrote:
Joseph wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.
md250 names Chingford, but gives a very accurate description of Ilford, the slum where he lives.
Posted by: mary hinge, e.13 on 8:58pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]tom, essex[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]md250[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.[/quote] md250 names Chingford, but gives a very accurate description of Ilford, the slum where he lives.[/quote] oi, toss rag,
chingford is gods armpit, take away the nice bit in station road, and all you have is lower sewerage walthamstow, another real slum, ilford is a shithole, and you would fit in fine
tom, essex wrote:
md250 wrote:
Joseph wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.
md250 names Chingford, but gives a very accurate description of Ilford, the slum where he lives.
oi, toss rag,
chingford is gods armpit, take away the nice bit in station road, and all you have is lower sewerage walthamstow, another real slum, ilford is a shithole, and you would fit in fine
Posted by: CH on 9:19pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]mary hinge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]tom, essex[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]md250[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joseph[/bold] wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet! [/quote] not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.[/quote] md250 names Chingford, but gives a very accurate description of Ilford, the slum where he lives.[/quote] oi, toss rag, chingford is gods armpit, take away the nice bit in station road, and all you have is lower sewerage walthamstow, another real slum, ilford is a shithole, and you would fit in fine[/quote] Well you living in E13 are certainly well qualified to speak about slums.
mary hinge wrote:
tom, essex wrote: md250 wrote: Joseph wrote: Blow me! MD 250 has said something without insulting words. We have hope yet!
not quite, no doubt you want sth woodford to become like a khazi-ghetto like chingford, with rows of 2nd rate all night shops.
md250 names Chingford, but gives a very accurate description of Ilford, the slum where he lives.
oi, toss rag, chingford is gods armpit, take away the nice bit in station road, and all you have is lower sewerage walthamstow, another real slum, ilford is a shithole, and you would fit in fine
Well you living in E13 are certainly well qualified to speak about slums.
Posted by: flick my bean, sw3 on 9:27pm Mon 31 Mar 08
yes sometimes , me and my partner, neville, often visit ilford, chingford etc, just so that we can remember what poor destitute people look like.
my father was in india in 1943, and i bring him to ilford town centre just so that he can re live his time in the raj.
yes sometimes , me and my partner, neville, often visit ilford, chingford etc, just so that we can remember what poor destitute people look like.
my father was in india in 1943, and i bring him to ilford town centre just so that he can re live his time in the raj.
Posted by: md250, ilford on 9:58pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]flick my bean[/bold] wrote:
yes sometimes , me and my partner, neville, often visit ilford, chingford etc, just so that we can remember what poor destitute people look like.
my father was in india in 1943, and i bring him to ilford town centre just so that he can re live his time in the raj.
[/quote] GOOD GOD, and you all thought i was abusive
flick my bean wrote:
yes sometimes , me and my partner, neville, often visit ilford, chingford etc, just so that we can remember what poor destitute people look like.
my father was in india in 1943, and i bring him to ilford town centre just so that he can re live his time in the raj.
GOOD GOD, and you all thought i was abusive
Posted by: md250, ilford on 11:12am Wed 2 Apr 08
[quote][bold]md250[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]flick my bean[/bold] wrote: yes sometimes , me and my partner, neville, often visit ilford, chingford etc, just so that we can remember what poor destitute people look like. my father was in india in 1943, and i bring him to ilford town centre just so that he can re live his time in the raj. [/quote] GOOD GOD, and you all thought i was abusive[/quote] I GOT A FAN CLUB FOR SCUMBAGS LIKE YOU
md250 wrote:
flick my bean wrote: yes sometimes , me and my partner, neville, often visit ilford, chingford etc, just so that we can remember what poor destitute people look like. my father was in india in 1943, and i bring him to ilford town centre just so that he can re live his time in the raj.
GOOD GOD, and you all thought i was abusive
I GOT A FAN CLUB FOR SCUMBAGS LIKE YOU
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