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LEYTON: MP votes against motion to halt post office closures
LEYTON and Wanstead MP Harry Cohen voted against a Conservative motion calling for a rethink on Post office closures.
Labour rebels came within 11 votes of forcing the postponement yesterday of plans to close 2,500 branches, including 11 in Waltham Forest and Redbridge.
The proposal to suspend the programme to enable further consultation was defeated by just 20 votes, as 19 Labour MPs revolted, slashing the Government's majority by two thirds.
Mr Cohen said: "I looked carefully at the motions, especially the two main ones - Conservative and Labour.
In effect it is a straight choice between the two.
"Generally I have a lot of sympathy with what is in the Tory motion. However, as Gordon Brown pointed out at Prime Minister's questions, the Tories do not say they would commit to any funding for the post office network.
"That makes much of what they put in their motion hollow. Without supportive funding, as the Labour Government is supplying, the situation would be worse than now.
"I therefore voted against the Conservative motion and for the Labour one. However, I have personally met with the Government Whip and said the consultation period is too short and should be extended.
"London Mayor Ken Livingstone has also made this point. Also that the criteria used must properly take into account areas with high levels of deprivation and high usage of the post offices in those areas.
"It does not do so at present. Those post offices should not close.
"The Whip promised me to communicate these essential points to Government Ministers to try to achieve a change in policy in these respects.
"I shall still be making strong representations on behalf of the two post offices in my area which are under threat."
The motion was supported by all Tory and Liberal Democrat MPs, including Chingford and Woodford Green MP Iain Duncan Smith.
8:26am Thursday 20th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Double-Standards, Orford Road on 12:35pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I have noticed that the Labour Party Office in Orford Road has a "SAVE OUR POST OFFICE" poster in the window.
A case of double standards and a hollow promise.
I have noticed that the Labour Party Office in Orford Road has a "SAVE OUR POST OFFICE" poster in the window.
A case of double standards and a hollow promise.
Posted by: Mr Khalid, walthamstone on 6:09pm Thu 20 Mar 08
yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no?
yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no?
Posted by: technomist, walthamstow on 7:25pm Thu 20 Mar 08
The Orford Road campaign is a 'special one': they aren't so much trying to save the Post Office because it is essential to them as make sure the middle classes in the Village don't have to go and queue up with the [italic]hoi poloi[/italic] at the main Post Office when they buy their Christmas stamps. The local Labour Party will back that because being a middle class rump, they identify with the needs of their members not to have to rub shoulders with the rest of the local population, even at Christmas.
The Orford Road campaign is a 'special one': they aren't so much trying to save the Post Office because it is essential to them as make sure the middle classes in the Village don't have to go and queue up with the
hoi poloi at the main Post Office when they buy their Christmas stamps. The local Labour Party will back that because being a middle class rump, they identify with the needs of their members not to have to rub shoulders with the rest of the local population, even at Christmas.
Posted by: Mr Angry, Walthamstow Village des Idiots on 7:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Exactly Technomist! Dead right Sir! The idiots who walk up and down Orford Road who have only just moved into the area are tring to convince themselves they are in the Kings Road or somewhere like Crouch End. In fact they are in a run down part of Waltham Forest where they (to keep up with their Ego's) pay £5.00 for boiled egg and soldiers in Eat 17! Or a tenner for a fry up with tea. Madness! They wander up and down with little Julian in his super dooper pram tricycle and block up the aisle to every shop and pub. The mother brigade! While their no doubt hard working husbands are out working to pay for the expensive mortgage, pepele carrier and gallons of Latte's' that is evident in the spouses ever increasing rear end!
Exactly Technomist! Dead right Sir! The idiots who walk up and down Orford Road who have only just moved into the area are tring to convince themselves they are in the Kings Road or somewhere like Crouch End. In fact they are in a run down part of Waltham Forest where they (to keep up with their Ego's) pay £5.00 for boiled egg and soldiers in Eat 17! Or a tenner for a fry up with tea. Madness! They wander up and down with little Julian in his super dooper pram tricycle and block up the aisle to every shop and pub. The mother brigade! While their no doubt hard working husbands are out working to pay for the expensive mortgage, pepele carrier and gallons of Latte's' that is evident in the spouses ever increasing rear end!
Posted by: technomist, walthamstow on 9:05pm Thu 20 Mar 08
£10.00 for a fry up and tea! Have they no legs? Get them down to Bunters or any number of the greasy spoons to be found in the High Street. They should read my blogs- there are any number of places to scoff for under a tenner. Want a decent coffee? Go to Cafe Rio, Bar Rendezvous or Cafe Azrou. What are these people thinking? They should come down off their hill and go for a walk. They might even make it to the bottom of the High Street and try Queen's Cafe or see what our excellent real Post Office looks like.
£10.00 for a fry up and tea! Have they no legs? Get them down to Bunters or any number of the greasy spoons to be found in the High Street. They should read my blogs- there are any number of places to scoff for under a tenner. Want a decent coffee? Go to Cafe Rio, Bar Rendezvous or Cafe Azrou. What are these people thinking? They should come down off their hill and go for a walk. They might even make it to the bottom of the High Street and try Queen's Cafe or see what our excellent real Post Office looks like.
Posted by: Lorna, Leytonstone on 9:26pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mr Khalid[/bold] wrote:
yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no? [/quote] Old ladies getting pensions through the internet? People getting dole cheques through the internet? Think Mr Khalid! Think![bold]bold[/bold]
Mr Khalid wrote:
yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no?
Old ladies getting pensions through the internet? People getting dole cheques through the internet? Think Mr Khalid! Think!
Posted by: mr khalid, walthamstow on 10:42pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Lorna[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Mr Khalid[/bold] wrote: yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no? [/quote] Old ladies getting pensions through the internet? People getting dole cheques through the internet? Think Mr Khalid! Think![bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] oldlady must be go colage and kept up with the teconolagey and kept mind good no alcasimez dieseesed. i know meny peple lerneded lots things at colage computors english spenish france and good for the minded and sool
Lorna wrote:
Mr Khalid wrote: yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no?
Old ladies getting pensions through the internet? People getting dole cheques through the internet? Think Mr Khalid! Think!
oldlady must be go colage and kept up with the teconolagey and kept mind good no alcasimez dieseesed. i know meny peple lerneded lots things at colage computors english spenish france and good for the minded and sool
Posted by: Mr. T. C. Hull, Walthamstow on 11:17pm Thu 20 Mar 08
There comes a point, Mr. Khalid, when acting stupid for fun becomes a pain in the posterior. You have now passed that point and no longer have any reason to annoy those of us who use the internet intelligently. If you really are as illiterate as you would have us believe why don't YOU go to 'colage and lerneded' English!!!
There comes a point, Mr. Khalid, when acting stupid for fun becomes a pain in the posterior. You have now passed that point and no longer have any reason to annoy those of us who use the internet intelligently. If you really are as illiterate as you would have us believe why don't YOU go to 'colage and lerneded' English!!!
Posted by: Save Our Post Offices, E17 on 1:27am Fri 21 Mar 08
Class war and the distasteful politics of envy are unpleasant at the best of times, and to use them to attack anyone for wanting to save our post offices is just pathetic and small minded.
Some of you need to grow up and learn some respect for others.
Class war and the distasteful politics of envy are unpleasant at the best of times, and to use them to attack anyone for wanting to save our post offices is just pathetic and small minded.
Some of you need to grow up and learn some respect for others.
Posted by: Observer on 1:48am Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Save Our Post Offices[/bold] wrote:
Class war and the distasteful politics of envy are unpleasant at the best of times, and to use them to attack anyone for wanting to save our post offices is just pathetic and small minded. Some of you need to grow up and learn some respect for others.[/quote] Khalid does not want to save anything. All he wants to do is play the prat all over this website as further reading will prove to you.
Save Our Post Offices wrote:
Class war and the distasteful politics of envy are unpleasant at the best of times, and to use them to attack anyone for wanting to save our post offices is just pathetic and small minded. Some of you need to grow up and learn some respect for others.
Khalid does not want to save anything. All he wants to do is play the prat all over this website as further reading will prove to you.
Posted by: technomist, walthamstow on 9:18am Fri 21 Mar 08
The idea that Labour in the Village should be fighting to save Orford Road Post office in support of an exclusive campaign waged at the expense of efforts to defend the Post Offices at Forest and Chingford Road is disgusting. People at the other two post offices have genuine social needs that should be protected - closing Orford Road Post office for most people in that area is simply an inconvenience and the 'campaign' to save it looks like just a social activity for many village residents. They put posters in their windows like they wear their relative wealth, on their sleeves. The campaign is being backed by a group of people who are totally self absorbed and who systematically cut themselves off socially from the rest of their neighbours in this borough: they would rather live in a ghetto than inter-act with normal people at the Post Office or the shops and market (except of course the over-priced 'farmer's' or 'french' markets) in the High Street. What 'Save our Post Offices' describes as 'Class war and the politics of envy' are what happen when the tiny elite that runs a neighbourhood live high on the hog while ignoring the day to day concerns of the majority of its ordinary residents - when political parties like Labour in our borough have become unaccountable, incompetent, self-perpetuating cliques.
The idea that Labour in the Village should be fighting to save Orford Road Post office in support of an exclusive campaign waged at the expense of efforts to defend the Post Offices at Forest and Chingford Road is disgusting. People at the other two post offices have genuine social needs that should be protected - closing Orford Road Post office for most people in that area is simply an inconvenience and the 'campaign' to save it looks like just a social activity for many village residents. They put posters in their windows like they wear their relative wealth, on their sleeves. The campaign is being backed by a group of people who are totally self absorbed and who systematically cut themselves off socially from the rest of their neighbours in this borough: they would rather live in a ghetto than inter-act with normal people at the Post Office or the shops and market (except of course the over-priced 'farmer's' or 'french' markets) in the High Street. What 'Save our Post Offices' describes as 'Class war and the politics of envy' are what happen when the tiny elite that runs a neighbourhood live high on the hog while ignoring the day to day concerns of the majority of its ordinary residents - when political parties like Labour in our borough have become unaccountable, incompetent, self-perpetuating cliques.
Posted by: md250, ilford on 5:12pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]mr khalid[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lorna[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Mr Khalid[/bold] wrote: yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no? [/quote] Old ladies getting pensions through the internet? People getting dole cheques through the internet? Think Mr Khalid! Think![bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] oldlady must be go colage and kept up with the teconolagey and kept mind good no alcasimez dieseesed. i know meny peple lerneded lots things at colage computors english spenish france and good for the minded and sool[/quote] you are a 24 carat ****, with no doubt the smallest penis ever born to a human being.
no doubt you still sleep with you sister whilst you father watches.
mr khalid wrote:
Lorna wrote:
Mr Khalid wrote: yes agre that this closed post ofice must be closed becos only peopal want use is old lady get penshan and peopal get dol checked and dss claim? all this can be doned on intnet and why ned? even roadtax yyou can by on intnet and just puting regestrate of car and pay with card is esy? closed this post ofice and mak shop usfal no?
Old ladies getting pensions through the internet? People getting dole cheques through the internet? Think Mr Khalid! Think!
oldlady must be go colage and kept up with the teconolagey and kept mind good no alcasimez dieseesed. i know meny peple lerneded lots things at colage computors english spenish france and good for the minded and sool
you are a 24 carat ****, with no doubt the smallest penis ever born to a human being.
no doubt you still sleep with you sister whilst you father watches.
Posted by: Sidney Stake, Epping Green on 9:45am Sat 22 Mar 08
Come off it! Post Offices are redundant now. Pensioners love them as they like queuing for half an hour for a stamp and chatting rubbish to another one.
You must move with the times. I moved from Walthamstow to here and have not used the post office once. My pension goes straight into my high interest bond thank you very much.
I do not touch it.
I get my car tax 'on line'. My Grandson showed me. It is easy. Close them all down and make the savings pay for courses for people to learn about the webworld and intranet. Happy Easter to you all
Come off it! Post Offices are redundant now. Pensioners love them as they like queuing for half an hour for a stamp and chatting rubbish to another one.
You must move with the times. I moved from Walthamstow to here and have not used the post office once. My pension goes straight into my high interest bond thank you very much.
I do not touch it.
I get my car tax 'on line'. My Grandson showed me. It is easy. Close them all down and make the savings pay for courses for people to learn about the webworld and intranet. Happy Easter to you all
Posted by: Mr. T. C. Hull, Walthamstow on 11:35pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sidney Stake[/bold] wrote:
Come off it! Post Offices are redundant now. Pensioners love them as they like queuing for half an hour for a stamp and chatting rubbish to another one. You must move with the times. I moved from Walthamstow to here and have not used the post office once. My pension goes straight into my high interest bond thank you very much. I do not touch it. I get my car tax 'on line'. My Grandson showed me. It is easy. Close them all down and make the savings pay for courses for people to learn about the webworld and intranet. Happy Easter to you all [/quote] Again Sidney Stake is boasting of his new found (ill gotten?) wealth. Why doesn't he just move to Monte Carlo?
Sidney Stake wrote:
Come off it! Post Offices are redundant now. Pensioners love them as they like queuing for half an hour for a stamp and chatting rubbish to another one. You must move with the times. I moved from Walthamstow to here and have not used the post office once. My pension goes straight into my high interest bond thank you very much. I do not touch it. I get my car tax 'on line'. My Grandson showed me. It is easy. Close them all down and make the savings pay for courses for people to learn about the webworld and intranet. Happy Easter to you all
Again Sidney Stake is boasting of his new found (ill gotten?) wealth. Why doesn't he just move to Monte Carlo?
Posted by: keith, Bell Corner on 6:07pm Mon 24 Mar 08
I read that technomist tells us about posh parents blocking shop aisles with their buggies etc, recommending them then to go down the Market to pay homage at Cafe Rio et al.
What he forgets there is the fact both they and the emporium next door, by obstructing the footway as their tables and chairs do, are acting ILLEGALLY under the council's highway rules & regulations: There must be a minimum 2 metre space between street furniture/shop window/kerbline for the unhindered passage of pedestrians. The licence premises must have(from council) to use for such pavement useage states these very facts-IF they have a licence.
Gotcha!
It's about time the council Chief Enforcement Officer, Gareth Jones did something about it as well.
ps Harry Cohen voted against Govt about post office closures-what did Neil Gerrard do? Anyone??
I read that technomist tells us about posh parents blocking shop aisles with their buggies etc, recommending them then to go down the Market to pay homage at Cafe Rio et al.
What he forgets there is the fact both they and the emporium next door, by obstructing the footway as their tables and chairs do, are acting ILLEGALLY under the council's highway rules & regulations: There must be a minimum 2 metre space between street furniture/shop window/kerbline for the unhindered passage of pedestrians. The licence premises must have(from council) to use for such pavement useage states these very facts-IF they have a licence.
Gotcha!
It's about time the council Chief Enforcement Officer, Gareth Jones did something about it as well.
ps Harry Cohen voted against Govt about post office closures-what did Neil Gerrard do? Anyone??
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