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WALTHAM FOREST: Councillor guilty of beating wife
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| Cllr Abrahim has been convicted for beating his wife |
A LIBERAL Democrat councillor has been found guilty of assaulting his wife.
Imran Abrahim punched his spouse Binish and slapped her around the face as they rowed about a phone call.
He threatened to kill her and send her back to Pakistan during the heated exchange in November last year, Waltham Forest Magistrates Court heard.
Prosecuter Charles Elston said Abrahim had beaten his wife on previous occassions, but she had chosen not to go to the police.
It was alleged that Abrahim's brother, Urfan, became involved and threatened her with a knife during the argument.
The Crown Prosecution Service found there was insufficient evidence to prosecute the younger sibling.
Mrs Abrahim said the attack was witnessed by the couple's one-year-old daughter, who became distressed.
Abrahim argued that his wife had attacked him because she was angry that he had been discussing her with his sister.
While acknowledging that Abrahim was of previous good character, District Judge Haydon Gott dismissed his version of events after hearing medical evidence from Dr David Rubenstein, which supported Mrs Abrahim's claims.
The 31-year-old member for Forest Ward will be sentenced on April 10.
Under the terms of his bail, he is barred from visiting the family home.
Abrahim, of Knotts Green Road, Leyton, had the party whip withdrawn when he was charged with the offence.
9:53am Sunday 23rd March 2008
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CommentPosted by: technomist, walthamstow on 4:12pm Thu 20 Mar 08
He should salvage what personal honour he has left by resigning.
He should salvage what personal honour he has left by resigning.
Posted by: Mr Khalid, walthamstone on 5:48pm Thu 20 Mar 08
consilor no famly man is act like anmal to hit wifinfront childran. he shod be give strong sentance and punish and no be consilor agen
consilor no famly man is act like anmal to hit wifinfront childran. he shod be give strong sentance and punish and no be consilor agen
Posted by: Sidney Stake, Epping on 5:53pm Thu 20 Mar 08
One can only wonder what on earth the phone call was? My former wife used to listen in on the extension phone in our bedroom when my pals used to ring up for sneaky golf days and visits to the pub. I never resorted to hitting her although I gave her a few sarcastic comments. She once looked in the mirror and blurted out that she 'thought she looked fat'. She asked me to give her reassuring words. I said 'You have good eyesight dear!' I think it was around a year after that when she filed for divorce. I miss her treacle pudding. She used to make a smashing one.
One can only wonder what on earth the phone call was? My former wife used to listen in on the extension phone in our bedroom when my pals used to ring up for sneaky golf days and visits to the pub. I never resorted to hitting her although I gave her a few sarcastic comments. She once looked in the mirror and blurted out that she 'thought she looked fat'. She asked me to give her reassuring words. I said 'You have good eyesight dear!' I think it was around a year after that when she filed for divorce. I miss her treacle pudding. She used to make a smashing one.
Posted by: Nicola, leyton on 6:41pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I know the councillor in question as he did some case work for me. he is a polite couteous man with a lovely nature. i do not believe the story to be just and the conviction to be fair. as a women I know that woman will make up and exagerate to get their way.
I know the councillor in question as he did some case work for me. he is a polite couteous man with a lovely nature. i do not believe the story to be just and the conviction to be fair. as a women I know that woman will make up and exagerate to get their way.
Posted by: technomist, walthamstow on 7:09pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Nicola, being polite and courteous is the norm we are all supposed to aspire to, though in life few can manage it all of the time. He has not, however been convicted of being discourteous or unhelpful.
Domestic violence is notoriously hard to prove. For someone to be convicted in a court of law the case has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. For Mr Abrihim to be convicted is a shameful event, a great personal tragedy as well, but it makes him unfit to continue represent the public. He should resign while there is still a chance for him to do so in a dignified manner.
Nicola, being polite and courteous is the norm we are all supposed to aspire to, though in life few can manage it all of the time. He has not, however been convicted of being discourteous or unhelpful.
Domestic violence is notoriously hard to prove. For someone to be convicted in a court of law the case has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. For Mr Abrihim to be convicted is a shameful event, a great personal tragedy as well, but it makes him unfit to continue represent the public. He should resign while there is still a chance for him to do so in a dignified manner.
Posted by: Sidney Stake, Epping Green on 7:13pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Nicola[/bold] wrote:
I know the councillor in question as he did some case work for me. he is a polite couteous man with a lovely nature. i do not believe the story to be just and the conviction to be fair. as a women I know that woman will make up and exagerate to get their way.[/quote] You are the woman of my dreams! Marry me? You have admitted to what I have known for years!
Nicola wrote:
I know the councillor in question as he did some case work for me. he is a polite couteous man with a lovely nature. i do not believe the story to be just and the conviction to be fair. as a women I know that woman will make up and exagerate to get their way.
You are the woman of my dreams! Marry me? You have admitted to what I have known for years!
Posted by: Nicola, leyton on 7:29pm Thu 20 Mar 08
technomist, i acknowledged your comments but the issue of domestic violence is very personal and delicate matter. In the majority of cases it always seems that the female or the wife is always given the vulnerable attribute but in these modern times females are using this to their own advantages and in many cases males can also be a vulnerable victim.
technomist, i acknowledged your comments but the issue of domestic violence is very personal and delicate matter. In the majority of cases it always seems that the female or the wife is always given the vulnerable attribute but in these modern times females are using this to their own advantages and in many cases males can also be a vulnerable victim.
Posted by: technomist, walthanstow on 8:46pm Thu 20 Mar 08
There is nothing personal or delicate about being beaten up Nicola. A person who does that is not fit to have a say in the oversight of council services which are provided to protect people from such abuse. I expect councilors to represent us who believe in the rule of law and apply its principles in their personal conduct. The rule of law does not stop at the front door.
I am not being patronising to women about this - in these modern times I am well aware that women can be manipulative. I had a friend who spent several weeks in Lincoln Prison after being falsely accused of rape, so I know all about that. (Luckily a tragedy was avoided when the woman's lies were exposed). I also know women can be violent themselves. There are no double standards here. I would expect a female who holds public office and is violent or incites violence to be inflicted on others to resign as well. (I was one of the people calling for Grell to resign - not just because she lied to get elected but because she must have also known full well her lies could lead to violence).
There is nothing personal or delicate about being beaten up Nicola. A person who does that is not fit to have a say in the oversight of council services which are provided to protect people from such abuse. I expect councilors to represent us who believe in the rule of law and apply its principles in their personal conduct. The rule of law does not stop at the front door.
I am not being patronising to women about this - in these modern times I am well aware that women can be manipulative. I had a friend who spent several weeks in Lincoln Prison after being falsely accused of rape, so I know all about that. (Luckily a tragedy was avoided when the woman's lies were exposed). I also know women can be violent themselves. There are no double standards here. I would expect a female who holds public office and is violent or incites violence to be inflicted on others to resign as well. (I was one of the people calling for Grell to resign - not just because she lied to get elected but because she must have also known full well her lies could lead to violence).
Posted by: technomist, walthamstow on 10:32pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Sweety, I hope this is Mr Abrahim's first offense of violence and your experience suggests his normally sweet nature will re-assert itself as a reflection of how he generally conducts himself. The fact remains though, that he has been found guilty, after evidence has been considered by the court proving his guilt. Its a personal tragedy for all concerned no doubt, but I think it is not reasonable or fair to make speculative allegations about his wife, who is the victim in this affair. This would be adding insult to her injury. Unless, of course, you were present at the time of the incident and witnessed events? If so, I think you should have attended the trial to give evidence.
Sweety, I hope this is Mr Abrahim's first offense of violence and your experience suggests his normally sweet nature will re-assert itself as a reflection of how he generally conducts himself. The fact remains though, that he has been found guilty, after evidence has been considered by the court proving his guilt. Its a personal tragedy for all concerned no doubt, but I think it is not reasonable or fair to make speculative allegations about his wife, who is the victim in this affair. This would be adding insult to her injury. Unless, of course, you were present at the time of the incident and witnessed events? If so, I think you should have attended the trial to give evidence.
Posted by: Archie Vester, Chigwell on 10:59pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I s there no chance of a reconcilliation?
He may have been provoked. He has many positive comments and does not look like he could hit a hole through a wet piece of paper.
I do not understand why he said what he said. Was he drunk? The report is unclear.
I cannot see why there is a problem with him remaining a Lib Dem as Charles kennedy is an alcoholic and Lempik Opik who has a Cheeky girl as a girlfriend was married to that weather girl and she has spilled beans in a book and he was a drunk etc. What has it got to do with broken drains and normal council matters?
I s there no chance of a reconcilliation?
He may have been provoked. He has many positive comments and does not look like he could hit a hole through a wet piece of paper.
I do not understand why he said what he said. Was he drunk? The report is unclear.
I cannot see why there is a problem with him remaining a Lib Dem as Charles kennedy is an alcoholic and Lempik Opik who has a Cheeky girl as a girlfriend was married to that weather girl and she has spilled beans in a book and he was a drunk etc. What has it got to do with broken drains and normal council matters?
Posted by: technomist, walthamforest on 3:05pm Fri 21 Mar 08
His suitability to be a councilor has nothing to do with the entirely private matter of any continuing (or not) relationship with his wife. Councilors are supposed to obey the law and oversee services for the weak and vulnerable in our society. How is a battered woman going to feel having to approach him as a councilor to help her get access to council services? How will it look if he tries to discuss the budget levels for services designed to detect crime and protect the public? What kind of a role model is he for young men, if his solution to problems is to use violence? How can his colleagues or opponents discuss things with him if they fear he will lash out at them if he disagrees? What respect will council officers give him?
His suitability to be a councilor has nothing to do with the entirely private matter of any continuing (or not) relationship with his wife. Councilors are supposed to obey the law and oversee services for the weak and vulnerable in our society. How is a battered woman going to feel having to approach him as a councilor to help her get access to council services? How will it look if he tries to discuss the budget levels for services designed to detect crime and protect the public? What kind of a role model is he for young men, if his solution to problems is to use violence? How can his colleagues or opponents discuss things with him if they fear he will lash out at them if he disagrees? What respect will council officers give him?
Posted by: Matt, Chingford on 1:32am Sat 22 Mar 08
It is clear from the above that none of you know the circumstances of the apparent assault, let alone those of the Abrahim marriage. As such you would all seem ill qualified to pontificate in the manner that you have.
Imran Abrahim may also exercise his right to appeal his conviction and unless and until he does so and is again convicted, or if he chooses to accept the current conviction, any debate as to his suitability, or not, to be a Councillor is premature.
It is clear from the above that none of you know the circumstances of the apparent assault, let alone those of the Abrahim marriage. As such you would all seem ill qualified to pontificate in the manner that you have.
Imran Abrahim may also exercise his right to appeal his conviction and unless and until he does so and is again convicted, or if he chooses to accept the current conviction, any debate as to his suitability, or not, to be a Councillor is premature.
Posted by: Zoe Gaborzski, Leyton on 9:35am Sat 22 Mar 08
This is yet another example of domestic violence that will probably pass without adequate punishment. The female 'norm' is yet again subjected to brutality and no matter what the outcome, another female will have her identity stripped further. Until men realise that females are evolving at such a fast pace to render male 'norm' irrelevent they will reinforce this negetivity. As for him being a councillor, he should be removed as this would effectively punish his ego-penile position
This is yet another example of domestic violence that will probably pass without adequate punishment. The female 'norm' is yet again subjected to brutality and no matter what the outcome, another female will have her identity stripped further. Until men realise that females are evolving at such a fast pace to render male 'norm' irrelevent they will reinforce this negetivity. As for him being a councillor, he should be removed as this would effectively punish his ego-penile position
Posted by: technomist, walthamstow on 10:23am Sat 22 Mar 08
Matt, the idea that people should not debate a matter of public interest because one of their elected representatives has an unexercised right of appeal following their conviction for a criminal offense is unreasonable. Wanting to gag the public by abusing them as 'pontificating' when they express their views is also unworthy of you. I believe I have seen you expressing your opinions on several topics on here.
If however you feel the need for more information before you can comment, why not ask the Guardian to report the whole sorry case in more detail? Or if you know more than has been reported and are not saying, then I would like to ask what is it you think we are not being told?
Matt, the idea that people should not debate a matter of public interest because one of their elected representatives has an unexercised right of appeal following their conviction for a criminal offense is unreasonable. Wanting to gag the public by abusing them as 'pontificating' when they express their views is also unworthy of you. I believe I have seen you expressing your opinions on several topics on here.
If however you feel the need for more information before you can comment, why not ask the Guardian to report the whole sorry case in more detail? Or if you know more than has been reported and are not saying, then I would like to ask what is it you think we are not being told?
Posted by: CH on 7:30pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Zoe Gaborzski[/bold] wrote:
This is yet another example of domestic violence that will probably pass without adequate punishment. The female 'norm' is yet again subjected to brutality and no matter what the outcome, another female will have her identity stripped further. Until men realise that females are evolving at such a fast pace to render male 'norm' irrelevent they will reinforce this negetivity. As for him being a councillor, he should be removed as this would effectively punish his ego-penile position[/quote] Sounds like the female equivalent of a misogynist.
Zoe Gaborzski wrote:
This is yet another example of domestic violence that will probably pass without adequate punishment. The female 'norm' is yet again subjected to brutality and no matter what the outcome, another female will have her identity stripped further. Until men realise that females are evolving at such a fast pace to render male 'norm' irrelevent they will reinforce this negetivity. As for him being a councillor, he should be removed as this would effectively punish his ego-penile position
Sounds like the female equivalent of a misogynist.
Posted by: Sweety, london on 10:56pm Thu 27 Mar 08
technomist, well u think what you want as these words are coming out of your mouth. mmm.... you seem very disturbed about adding "insult to injury" don't you??..
technomist, well u think what you want as these words are coming out of your mouth. mmm.... you seem very disturbed about adding "insult to injury" don't you??..
Posted by: Ally, walthamstow on 9:24am Fri 28 Mar 08
So its ok to beat a woman?Im sorry but I will not be voting for the LibDems if this is how one of there members acts.no man should ever strike a woman and think he can get away with it.Women are not second rate citizens. The public complain more if an animal was being miss treated.He should stand down and resign and as for his brother joining in!!!! should his private life be brought up yes it should it just shows you what this man is capable of never mind his good works in his public life it really shows you his true self a woman beater!!!! you cant get away from that
So its ok to beat a woman?Im sorry but I will not be voting for the LibDems if this is how one of there members acts.no man should ever strike a woman and think he can get away with it.Women are not second rate citizens. The public complain more if an animal was being miss treated.He should stand down and resign and as for his brother joining in!!!! should his private life be brought up yes it should it just shows you what this man is capable of never mind his good works in his public life it really shows you his true self a woman beater!!!! you cant get away from that
Posted by: Sue, walthamstow on 7:46pm Fri 28 Mar 08
technomist, you seem to be a hard core pessimistic toward Mr Abrahim, it makes me wonder if you know the third party? How can you sit and make comments of total biasedness and not even acknowledge the fact that the article reads that Mrs Abrahim ' the wife' attacked Mr Abrahim. what does that mean,? It could be provocation? Where is all this going to get the so called victim..? Anyway who is the victim god knows. I too, am against domestic violence but circumstances can result in differing acts. I believe this article does not address that it was a repeated incident and if the case that it is the 'one off' then it does make you wonder why it has reached the headlines. I believe that private lives of individauals should not be hanged on the washing line to be paraded in the public platform. Private affairs should be kept private. I think it is quite unjust to place a person under scrutiny especially if you do not offer just comnents I think you should keep your biased comments to yourself. How would you like if all your dirty laundary is hung up to dry..? Every human being has skeletons in the cupboard. I am sure you too are no SAINT!!!!
technomist, you seem to be a hard core pessimistic toward Mr Abrahim, it makes me wonder if you know the third party? How can you sit and make comments of total biasedness and not even acknowledge the fact that the article reads that Mrs Abrahim ' the wife' attacked Mr Abrahim. what does that mean,? It could be provocation? Where is all this going to get the so called victim..? Anyway who is the victim god knows. I too, am against domestic violence but circumstances can result in differing acts. I believe this article does not address that it was a repeated incident and if the case that it is the 'one off' then it does make you wonder why it has reached the headlines. I believe that private lives of individauals should not be hanged on the washing line to be paraded in the public platform. Private affairs should be kept private. I think it is quite unjust to place a person under scrutiny especially if you do not offer just comnents I think you should keep your biased comments to yourself. How would you like if all your dirty laundary is hung up to dry..? Every human being has skeletons in the cupboard. I am sure you too are no SAINT!!!!
Posted by: joanne, leytonstone on 7:54pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I would just like to make a general comment to the above comments made I don't know of the incident and what happened in depth, but what I do believe is if this particular situation has nothing to do with the council job or is affecting councillor Abrahim in performing his council duties and in this case it does not. What ever the out come is Councillor Abrahim has dealt with it. It should stop there and not be dragged into his working life. This has no relevance to Councillor Abrahim carrying on performing his council duties and it should not for his future.
I would just like to make a general comment to the above comments made I don't know of the incident and what happened in depth, but what I do believe is if this particular situation has nothing to do with the council job or is affecting councillor Abrahim in performing his council duties and in this case it does not. What ever the out come is Councillor Abrahim has dealt with it. It should stop there and not be dragged into his working life. This has no relevance to Councillor Abrahim carrying on performing his council duties and it should not for his future.
Posted by: Kelly Smith, Leyton on 8:51pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Dear Sue and Jonanne, your comments are apalling. What kind of message would it be sending out for Mr Abrahim to continue representing the victims of domestic violence across this borough as one of the 60 supposed upkeepers of the council's domestic violence and other equality strategies. I am already cheesed of that I have 3 male councillors in this ward. How will any woman feel safe going to Cllr Abrahim knowing he has a conviction for beating women. He should do the honourable thing and go.
Dear Sue and Jonanne, your comments are apalling. What kind of message would it be sending out for Mr Abrahim to continue representing the victims of domestic violence across this borough as one of the 60 supposed upkeepers of the council's domestic violence and other equality strategies. I am already cheesed of that I have 3 male councillors in this ward. How will any woman feel safe going to Cllr Abrahim knowing he has a conviction for beating women. He should do the honourable thing and go.
Posted by: Jannet, walthamstow on 10:42pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I have met Mr Abrahim on several occasions and he has come across as a very caring and helpful individual, all of this just doesn’t make sense to me, maybe everything has been blown out of proportion and stereotyped. No one should be allowed to beat their wife but the article mentions that Mr Abrahim was attacked by this wife, could it be that he was provoked and maybe we should hear Mr Abrahim side of the story. Despite everything he is still a good councillor and everyone deserves a second chance in life and I think he should continue in his job and others shouldn't exploit the situation further.
I have met Mr Abrahim on several occasions and he has come across as a very caring and helpful individual, all of this just doesn’t make sense to me, maybe everything has been blown out of proportion and stereotyped. No one should be allowed to beat their wife but the article mentions that Mr Abrahim was attacked by this wife, could it be that he was provoked and maybe we should hear Mr Abrahim side of the story. Despite everything he is still a good councillor and everyone deserves a second chance in life and I think he should continue in his job and others shouldn't exploit the situation further.
Posted by: Alishba, london on 11:22pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I do not know the exact details of what had happened between Councillor Imran Abrahim and his wife. But what i do know is that Councillor Abrahim has helped me a lot in the past. When I had problems of my own and had no one to turn to, Councillor Imran Abrahim was there to help and support me and I will always be grateful. Regarding Councillor Imran Abrahim’s personal life, this has nothing to do with his position in the council as this is his personal matter. So yes I agree with the fact that Councillor Imran Abrahim should have the right to retain his seat as he is an outstanding councillor. I will never forget what Councillor Imran Abrahim has done for me and he will always have my support.
I do not know the exact details of what had happened between Councillor Imran Abrahim and his wife. But what i do know is that Councillor Abrahim has helped me a lot in the past. When I had problems of my own and had no one to turn to, Councillor Imran Abrahim was there to help and support me and I will always be grateful. Regarding Councillor Imran Abrahim’s personal life, this has nothing to do with his position in the council as this is his personal matter. So yes I agree with the fact that Councillor Imran Abrahim should have the right to retain his seat as he is an outstanding councillor. I will never forget what Councillor Imran Abrahim has done for me and he will always have my support.
Posted by: sweety, leyton on 11:40pm Fri 28 Mar 08
technomist, how can u b so sure of her innocence and her being the victim. she may of been having an affair? maybe this was all a plan to frame her husband so she could get out of this marriage? so she can marry some one els.do you no about her background? maybe she has done this purposley and wanted to cause this.
technomist, how can u b so sure of her innocence and her being the victim. she may of been having an affair? maybe this was all a plan to frame her husband so she could get out of this marriage? so she can marry some one els.do you no about her background? maybe she has done this purposley and wanted to cause this.
Posted by: Dave, Walthamstow on 2:09am Sat 29 Mar 08
The flagrant support for a convicted wifebeater on this site is unbelievable. This guy was found GUILTY of assaulting his wife in front of their kid, with, by the sounds of it, his brother onside for "moral support." Maybe if your mothers / sisters / daughters had been slapped around by an abusive partner you wouldn't be quite so ready with your support for this scumbag.
The flagrant support for a convicted wifebeater on this site is unbelievable. This guy was found GUILTY of assaulting his wife in front of their kid, with, by the sounds of it, his brother onside for "moral support." Maybe if your mothers / sisters / daughters had been slapped around by an abusive partner you wouldn't be quite so ready with your support for this scumbag.
Posted by: stuart, leyton on 5:41am Sat 29 Mar 08
Mr Abrahim was attacked by this wife too, should she be found gulity of assult, anyway theirs two sides to the story and we shouldn't be bias and just take the women side. if you haven't met Mr Abrahim before well you should and see the kind of person he is. he is an excellent councllor and i will always support him as a councillor
Mr Abrahim was attacked by this wife too, should she be found gulity of assult, anyway theirs two sides to the story and we shouldn't be bias and just take the women side. if you haven't met Mr Abrahim before well you should and see the kind of person he is. he is an excellent councllor and i will always support him as a councillor
Posted by: Peter, walthamstow on 12:38pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Dave, maybe if you hear both sides of the story you might be able to make a conclusion. Imran Abrahims wife had also attacked him too, but was there any justice done their, because everything is in favour of the woman and im not certain that you know all the facts. So before you start chucking abusive language a t a respectable councillor who you don’t even know, then maybe its you that is the SCUMBAG after all!!!
Dave, maybe if you hear both sides of the story you might be able to make a conclusion. Imran Abrahims wife had also attacked him too, but was there any justice done their, because everything is in favour of the woman and im not certain that you know all the facts. So before you start chucking abusive language a t a respectable councillor who you don’t even know, then maybe its you that is the SCUMBAG after all!!!
Posted by: peter, walthamstow on 2:28pm Sat 29 Mar 08
dave, the way you are speaking you seem as a very one sided biased person. have you never made mistakes in life? take a look at your inner self? is your concience clear? have u not raised a hand to YOUR wife??? you talk about the unbelievable flagrant support on this page. wel i find it impossible on how some people can be so hypocritical!! and do certain acts themselves and then try and accuse others of it...
dave, the way you are speaking you seem as a very one sided biased person. have you never made mistakes in life? take a look at your inner self? is your concience clear? have u not raised a hand to YOUR wife??? you talk about the unbelievable flagrant support on this page. wel i find it impossible on how some people can be so hypocritical!! and do certain acts themselves and then try and accuse others of it...
Posted by: Dave, Walthamstow on 4:06pm Sat 29 Mar 08
You people are hilarious - you must either be royally dumb, taking the proverbial or otherwise friends of the councillor in question. First of all, there's nothing in this report to say that his wife DID attack him - just the word of said slap-happy councillor who, one would imagine, isn't above lying if he's not averse to knocking his missus about.
Also, Peter, you seem to be suggesting that spousal abuse is some sort of momentary lapse or something that a blind eye can be turned to? If so, you need help mate...
At the end of the day there's NO excuse for this kind of behaviour, regardless of how "polite" or "courteous" this criminal has been when he's been trying to get you to vote for him.
You people are hilarious - you must either be royally dumb, taking the proverbial or otherwise friends of the councillor in question. First of all, there's nothing in this report to say that his wife DID attack him - just the word of said slap-happy councillor who, one would imagine, isn't above lying if he's not averse to knocking his missus about.
Also, Peter, you seem to be suggesting that spousal abuse is some sort of momentary lapse or something that a blind eye can be turned to? If so, you need help mate...
At the end of the day there's NO excuse for this kind of behaviour, regardless of how "polite" or "courteous" this criminal has been when he's been trying to get you to vote for him.
Posted by: peter, walthamstow on 6:30pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Dave. Well that’s funny because I actually find YOU hilarious; here you are accusing me of having a friendship or relation with councillor Abrahim. Whereas you seemed to be more concerned about the wife of the councillor. Now that is fishy…. either you are related to her… or have a more deep further relationship with her……
And no I don’t need help I’ve seen the world and no what’s what!! I think its you that needs the help… if im royally dumb then what does that make you? Majestically dumb??
I hope you remember that councillor Abrahim has a clean slate and has no other previous convictions, so like I said before understand the facts before you make pathetic comments…. now you tell me who Is the royal dumb one now??
Now all I want you to do is answer me this one simple question. Have you never made mistakes in life??? Because let me tell you now everyone makes mistakes…not everyone is perfect. NOT EVEN U!!!!!!!!!!
Dave. Well that’s funny because I actually find YOU hilarious; here you are accusing me of having a friendship or relation with councillor Abrahim. Whereas you seemed to be more concerned about the wife of the councillor. Now that is fishy…. either you are related to her… or have a more deep further relationship with her……
And no I don’t need help I’ve seen the world and no what’s what!! I think its you that needs the help… if im royally dumb then what does that make you? Majestically dumb??
I hope you remember that councillor Abrahim has a clean slate and has no other previous convictions, so like I said before understand the facts before you make pathetic comments…. now you tell me who Is the royal dumb one now??
Now all I want you to do is answer me this one simple question. Have you never made mistakes in life??? Because let me tell you now everyone makes mistakes…not everyone is perfect. NOT EVEN U!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: caroline, walthamstow on 10:59am Mon 31 Mar 08
i just wanted to add that i totally agree with kelly and dave's comments above and i find some of the speculation on here that 'she must have asked for it' / 'she must have made it up' both offensive and depressing. have some humanity, people! the councillor has been convicted of a serious crime. whether or not you think that means he should resign as a councillor (and personally, i do), there is no excuse to cast aspersions on his victim.
i just wanted to add that i totally agree with kelly and dave's comments above and i find some of the speculation on here that 'she must have asked for it' / 'she must have made it up' both offensive and depressing. have some humanity, people! the councillor has been convicted of a serious crime. whether or not you think that means he should resign as a councillor (and personally, i do), there is no excuse to cast aspersions on his victim.
Posted by: Observer, Walthamstow on 4:21pm Mon 31 Mar 08
I notice that when Miranda Grell lost her appeal for a conviction for something far less serious, she resigned everything straight away. I would like to see Cllr Abrahim do the same imeediately.
I notice that when Miranda Grell lost her appeal for a conviction for something far less serious, she resigned everything straight away. I would like to see Cllr Abrahim do the same imeediately.
Posted by: Observer, Walthamstow on 4:22pm Mon 31 Mar 08
I notice that when Miranda Grell lost her appeal for a conviction for something far less serious, she resigned everything straight away. I would like to see Cllr Abrahim do the same imeediately.
I notice that when Miranda Grell lost her appeal for a conviction for something far less serious, she resigned everything straight away. I would like to see Cllr Abrahim do the same imeediately.
Posted by: Janey, Walthamstow on 9:18pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
The flagrant support for a convicted wifebeater on this site is unbelievable. This guy was found GUILTY of assaulting his wife in front of their kid, with, by the sounds of it, his brother onside for \"moral support.\" Maybe if your mothers / sisters / daughters had been slapped around by an abusive partner you wouldn\'t be quite so ready with your support for this scumbag. [/quote] I am glad some people on here have some sense.
Dave wrote:
The flagrant support for a convicted wifebeater on this site is unbelievable. This guy was found GUILTY of assaulting his wife in front of their kid, with, by the sounds of it, his brother onside for \"moral support.\" Maybe if your mothers / sisters / daughters had been slapped around by an abusive partner you wouldn\'t be quite so ready with your support for this scumbag.
I am glad some people on here have some sense.
Posted by: Kelly Smith, Leyton on 6:31pm Wed 2 Apr 08
Provoked him, did she? Everyonw who is supporting this man keeping his seat should be ashamed of themselves.
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Provoked him, did she? Everyonw who is supporting this man keeping his seat should be ashamed of themselves.
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